How stupid are they for fuck’s sake? Especially the dumbass who write this:
“I can sum it all up in three words: Evolution is a lie”
And don’t forget that we know that the Bible is the word of God - because it says so. Other such thickos think that Darwinism is a “Gateway Science“, that English is god’s “REAL language“, and that you should use Scripture, not logic as the basis of an argument.
I spent half of the time reading these quotes gaping at the screen and the other half laughing. Just how can people believe such fucking tripe? How? How?!
Oh, just before I go, don’t forget that atheists are evil and secretly hate Christians…
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How about we simply say evolution is an unproven and so far unprovable theory.
It is far more proven and more provable than Creationism. It is not possible to dismiss evolution entirely, especially if your fall-back position is Creationism and “the Bible says so”.
The primary objection I had, however, was the comparison with drugs and the absolutely ridiculous follow on reasoning. Especially when it’s conclusion is “the abuser is no longer able to feel for his country and multiculturalism takes over.”
Just ridiculous.
It can not be ‘far more proven and more provable’ than anything if it is NOT proven. This isn’t global warming where all you need is consensus
The evolution camp has long given up on proving it (since they can’t make the link) and have fallen back on religious ways. It takes as much faith to believe that evolution is true as it does to believe that G-d wrote the bible and created us all.
Both work of faith. Believing in something that cannot be proven.
I’m not going to post on the rest of your post, as it takes a (to me) anti-christian slant to it and I hate to argue about religion (mine) with people. I just wanted to point out that the person saying evolution is a lie is just as valid as the person saying it is true. Since neither side has proven the other wrong (or their side right).
Evolution is based on the work on many scientists. Creationism is based on one book. Arguing that “the evolution camp has long given up on proving it” is ridiculous. Evolution is accepted. They may have stopped pushing it so hard because it is the ACCEPTED way. If you can PROVE that Creationism happened, then go do it!
To object to evolution on the basis of one book is like objecting to a Professor’s monograph on the basis on a nineteenth century school textbook.
It is however, possible to marry the two in some ways by taking a non-literal interpretation of Genesis.
My post is not “anti Christian”. It is anti idiots, racists, and misogynists. I think that religion [note: NOT faith, organised religion] is past it’s sell-by date. And with it any literal interpretations of the Bible. It has to be accepted that the time in which the Bible was written is very different to now, and so some interpretations of it need to be changed [the interpretation, not the Bible itself].
This is one of the reasons why I hate arguing religion. Because religious people can never see anything beyond it. Quoting the Bible is not an argument, and I hate it when people do it. It makes me want to punch them.
The person saying evolution is a lie is NOT “just as valid” as those saying it is true, sicne you can simply look at the EVIDENCE, which falls quite squarely in the pro-evolution camp. The main point about that quote, however, was that is says:
“I can sum it all up in three words: Evolution is a lie”
And how many words are there in “Evolution is a lie”? Four.
heh, I didn’t catch the words
“Evolution is accepted. They may have stopped pushing it so hard because it is the ACCEPTED way. If you can PROVE that Creationism happened, then go do it!”
Accepted does not equal proven. Name any scientist or group of scientist that have PROVEN evolution. I’ll wait
I never said I could prove that the Bible is true. I said that BOTH are based on faith. The evolution people have faith that all the parts they are missing work out. Creationists have faith in G-d.
The ‘evidence’ falls squarely in the lap of no proof of either.
Evolution is provable, and is indeed easily proved, and has been… Just do a little reading, preferably in something a tad more scientific than the bible.
Religion, however, is nothing better than primitive mankind’s attempts to communicate with the weather.
The evidence falls completely in the lap of evolution. Name anything apart from the Bible, or relies on the Bible, that supports Creationism. Nothing exists to say that.
However, I wouldn’t say that religion “is nothing better than primitive mankind’s attempts to communicate with the weather”. It is more an early attempt to explain existence, based on the conceptions of the time.
Pogo: step up, prove it.
Evolution has NEVER been proven. Accepted does not equal proven. It was accepted that the earth is flat and the sun revolves around it.
Sorry about the delay, I’ve been away enjoying the global warming…
However, Nazh… I suppose that a lot depends upon where you draw the line between “natural selection” and “evolution”. My own take on the subject is that the latter is composed of many sequential incidences of the former, so, for instance, ever heard of Drosophila (”fruit flies”)? They reproduce at an alarming rate and with similarly alarming frequency. They also mutate, which is another word for “evolve” - as Darwinian evolution is essentially nothing more than the survival or otherwise of mutations in a population. They are *regularly* “evolved” for genetic experimentation, and once evolved breed true.
An “in the wild” example of natural selection is the complete change in colour of the (IIRC) “Pepper Moth” in the industrial north of England in the early-to-mid 1800s… They used to be light coloured, but the increasing dirt in the atmosphere deposited upon buildings and trees made the lighter form easier prey for birds. By late 1800 they were almost uniformly near-black.
I agree that evolution is a “theory” - and speaking as a Popperian I accept that you can never *prove* a theory, you can only disprove it. The reason that I prefer the theory of evolution to any of the religion-based proposals is *precisely* due to the ability to disprove a theory. “It’s like that because God made it so” rather puts a halt to any further discussion.
Re: flat earth etc… It was indeed accepted… BUT, it was also disproved in the light of better knowledge - but not before the organised church of the day had forced Galileo to kill himself for espousing such an heretical idea.
So you agree that evolution is not proven, thanks
Faith in religion is not and should not ever be based on ‘proof’, if so, it wouldn’t be called faith.
You also cannot disprove the argument “G-d made it so” but unlike the people that don’t believe it, I have faith in it.
I love science and love to learn about science. I personally believe in a co-theory. I believe that G-d did indeed ‘make it so’ but that evolution is the how he made it so.
Of course I’m in a rather small fringe, but belief and faith do not require consensus^^
I agree that evolution, like any other scientific theory, cannot be proven - only disproven.
However, evolution by natural selection can be, and has been, unequivocally demonstrated and, as yet, has to be disproved. No need for faith or ritual, simple observation will suffice.