Comments on: It’s Clegg’s Make-Your-Mind-Up Time http://thethunderdragon.co.uk/2008/02/its-cleggs-make-your-mind-up-time.html Don't annoy a dragon, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:00:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: ThunderDragon http://thethunderdragon.co.uk/2008/02/its-cleggs-make-your-mind-up-time.html#comment-1573 ThunderDragon Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:58:00 +0000 http://thethunderdragon.co.uk/blog/2008/02/its-cleggs-make-your-mind-up-time/#comment-1573 Jock, it simply doesn't make any sense to call for a refernum over membership, but not over the direction that the EU takes.<br/><br/>No matter what provision apparently exists in the Treaty to allow us to leave. Anyway, since when has whether we want to hold a referendum on continued membership ever been subject to any formal EU mechanism? That is up to US, not them. Jock, it simply doesn’t make any sense to call for a refernum over membership, but not over the direction that the EU takes.

No matter what provision apparently exists in the Treaty to allow us to leave. Anyway, since when has whether we want to hold a referendum on continued membership ever been subject to any formal EU mechanism? That is up to US, not them.

]]> By: Jock Coats http://thethunderdragon.co.uk/2008/02/its-cleggs-make-your-mind-up-time.html#comment-1572 Jock Coats Tue, 26 Feb 2008 12:47:00 +0000 http://thethunderdragon.co.uk/blog/2008/02/its-cleggs-make-your-mind-up-time/#comment-1572 lettersfromatory:<br/><br/>No, Clegg (and Ming before him) promulgated this idea in the summer of 2007 and all through the leadership campaign.<br/><br/>One of the rationales for it is that for the first time the new treaty actually incorporates into the EU structure a formal mechanism for allowing a referendum in a member state on remaining part of the EU or not and if not a mechanism for orderly withdrawal, as I understand it.<br/><br/>So the idea is that you accept the treaty and then invoke one of its most important measures. lettersfromatory:

No, Clegg (and Ming before him) promulgated this idea in the summer of 2007 and all through the leadership campaign.

One of the rationales for it is that for the first time the new treaty actually incorporates into the EU structure a formal mechanism for allowing a referendum in a member state on remaining part of the EU or not and if not a mechanism for orderly withdrawal, as I understand it.

So the idea is that you accept the treaty and then invoke one of its most important measures.

]]> By: lettersfromatory http://thethunderdragon.co.uk/2008/02/its-cleggs-make-your-mind-up-time.html#comment-1571 lettersfromatory Tue, 26 Feb 2008 10:10:00 +0000 http://thethunderdragon.co.uk/blog/2008/02/its-cleggs-make-your-mind-up-time/#comment-1571 Clegg obviously just cut a deal with his dissenting front benchers to stave off an embarrassing incident - he has no control over what is happening. Clegg obviously just cut a deal with his dissenting front benchers to stave off an embarrassing incident - he has no control over what is happening.

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