Comments on: Suing For The Right Not To Do Your Job http://thethunderdragon.co.uk/2008/05/suing-for-the-right-not-to-do-your-job.html Don't annoy a dragon, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:30:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Ian Grey http://thethunderdragon.co.uk/2008/05/suing-for-the-right-not-to-do-your-job.html#comment-3096 Ian Grey Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:00:24 +0000 http://thethunderdragon.co.uk/2008/05/suing-for-the-right-not-to-do-your-job.html#comment-3096 Well, she has won her case. I'm with Thunderdragon on the principle, with the complication that when she became a Registrar there probably weren't civil partnerships.so the goalposts have changed during her career. In the crazy game of minority top trumps, today's surprising hand is that being a Christian trumps being Gay, although she is a black Christian which may or may not have had a bearing on the case. Apparently it doesn't became case law unless it is appealed (which no doubt Islington will do, after all it is only Public money) and if it is and upheld, then we will see the crazy stuff like checkout staff refusing to sell us condoms and so on. Well, she has won her case. I’m with Thunderdragon on the principle, with the complication that when she became a Registrar there probably weren’t civil partnerships.so the goalposts have changed during her career.

In the crazy game of minority top trumps, today’s surprising hand is that being a Christian trumps being Gay, although she is a black Christian which may or may not have had a bearing on the case.

Apparently it doesn’t became case law unless it is appealed (which no doubt Islington will do, after all it is only Public money) and if it is and upheld, then we will see the crazy stuff like checkout staff refusing to sell us condoms and so on.

]]> By: Andy aka Spicy http://thethunderdragon.co.uk/2008/05/suing-for-the-right-not-to-do-your-job.html#comment-1749 Andy aka Spicy Tue, 20 May 2008 19:27:36 +0000 http://thethunderdragon.co.uk/2008/05/suing-for-the-right-not-to-do-your-job.html#comment-1749 I think religious days of observance should be respected for any worker, but they have to respect the diversity in society and the rule of law when either or both connect to their work. I think... staying away from work on a Sunday to go to church and observe it as a day of rest dictated by God isn't inherently offensive to others. But refusing in your job at a registry office to register gay unions is very offensive, and yes, if you don't do your job, if you point blank refuse, you should and most of us would get sacked. And she was, I think. I think religious days of observance should be respected for any worker, but they have to respect the diversity in society and the rule of law when either or both connect to their work. I think… staying away from work on a Sunday to go to church and observe it as a day of rest dictated by God isn’t inherently offensive to others. But refusing in your job at a registry office to register gay unions is very offensive, and yes, if you don’t do your job, if you point blank refuse, you should and most of us would get sacked.

And she was, I think.

]]> By: Asp http://thethunderdragon.co.uk/2008/05/suing-for-the-right-not-to-do-your-job.html#comment-1742 Asp Tue, 20 May 2008 12:14:05 +0000 http://thethunderdragon.co.uk/2008/05/suing-for-the-right-not-to-do-your-job.html#comment-1742 Hey, I agree with you - but asking someone to work Sundays or Friday evenings has nothing to do with religion. It still can be discriminatory though... Damn lawyers :p Hey, I agree with you - but asking someone to work Sundays or Friday evenings has nothing to do with religion.

It still can be discriminatory though…

Damn lawyers :p

]]> By: Andy aka Spicy http://thethunderdragon.co.uk/2008/05/suing-for-the-right-not-to-do-your-job.html#comment-1732 Andy aka Spicy Mon, 19 May 2008 23:49:51 +0000 http://thethunderdragon.co.uk/2008/05/suing-for-the-right-not-to-do-your-job.html#comment-1732 Common sense lucidly and eloquently conveyed. Nice one! Common sense lucidly and eloquently conveyed. Nice one!

]]> By: ThunderDragon http://thethunderdragon.co.uk/2008/05/suing-for-the-right-not-to-do-your-job.html#comment-1731 ThunderDragon Mon, 19 May 2008 10:54:21 +0000 http://thethunderdragon.co.uk/2008/05/suing-for-the-right-not-to-do-your-job.html#comment-1731 But it's not a religious ceremony and has absolutely nothing to do with religion - it is purely a state ceremony. Thus, what Ms Ladelle's personal religious convictions are is not relevant. If she can't or won't do her job, then she should find another one. But it’s not a religious ceremony and has absolutely nothing to do with religion - it is purely a state ceremony. Thus, what Ms Ladelle’s personal religious convictions are is not relevant.

If she can’t or won’t do her job, then she should find another one.

]]> By: Asp http://thethunderdragon.co.uk/2008/05/suing-for-the-right-not-to-do-your-job.html#comment-1729 Asp Mon, 19 May 2008 08:24:13 +0000 http://thethunderdragon.co.uk/2008/05/suing-for-the-right-not-to-do-your-job.html#comment-1729 Problem is that you never know how the Tribunal will look at this one. The opening steps of a discrimination claim are present - a practice that puts Christian at a disadvantage. It's now for the Council to prove that the practice is a "proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim". Tribunals are normally pretty grumpy - why can't they schedule ceremonies so that Ms Ladelle only needs to preside over marriages? Yup, the law is an ass... Problem is that you never know how the Tribunal will look at this one.

The opening steps of a discrimination claim are present - a practice that puts Christian at a disadvantage. It’s now for the Council to prove that the practice is a “proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim”.

Tribunals are normally pretty grumpy - why can’t they schedule ceremonies so that Ms Ladelle only needs to preside over marriages?

Yup, the law is an ass…

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